I am running a small stargazing operation. By definition, the stargazing experiences run during the nighttime. Some of the experiences start before midnight and finish after midnight. For example, start 23:00 and finish 00:30. How can I set the working hours of the employee (myself) to start in the evening and finish in the morning of the next day?
I hope you are doing well. You would need to configure the work hours like this
Basically, this is a workaround. Since the maximum service duration is 24 hours, you won't be able to configure the work hours for a particular day above 00:00. Instead, configuring it to 00:30 for the next day, Amelia will show the timeslot with this time period.
Of course, you need to make sure that the service duration is long enough and the employee work hours can "cover" the service duration.
So if i understand correctly, the timeslots from 22:45 PM should be bookable multiple times by different customers since I see the maximum capacity is /10? In other words, 4 people managed to book this timeslot but now it's not available for booking?
Thanks for having a look at my ticket. Your understanding is correct. On each of my tours I have 10 available spots.
However, for those 3 dates (17/12, 22/12, 27/12) the tours are no longer bookable after only one customer bought the product (2, 2, and 4 spots, resp.). In reality, there should be still 8, 8, and 6 spots available for booking. I am losing potential customers and business.
I have the feeling this has to do with the fact that my tours for those dates go past midnight (10:45pm - 12:15am), and Amelia currently is not well set up for handling this. So far, I haven't had this issue for tours finishing before midnight.
It would be great if you could, please, solve or advise.
I read that your team is observing Armistice Day, which is all good of course.
I'll add a few more screenshots to better document the problem that I am unfortunately experiencing.
You will see that now some people have booked on the tour of 4 December: 4 spots booked, 6 spots still available and bookable through the website. Note that this tour finishes at midnight and doesn't go into the next day.
In contrast: 17, 22, 27 December have many spots available, but they cannot be booked any more.
I also illustrate how I have defined my working hours. If the tour lasts 1.5 hours, I work 2 hours because this also includes 30 minutes buffer time after the service.
Hopefully all this information helps you to, please, come up with a solution.
My apologies for the delayed answer, as you already know, we had Armistice Day yesterday. Thanks for the explanation, I've just realized that I didn't ask for the WP admin credentials. Before that, you can check this - if there is a Google Calendar integration with the employee assigned, please check if those timeslots are perhaps booked on Google Calendar (marked as "busy") . You can also disable the option "remove busy slots" in Google Calendar integration settings and test it out again.
Thanks for the access. I can see that you've configured special days instead of employee work hours, that's ok. in Special Days, I've found the timeslot for 16 Dec to 19 Jan, but your work hours are configured like this
Where it should be configured according to the service duration. Your service duration is 1:30h plus 30 minutes buffer, but this work hour doesn't cover the duration. As you said, it needs to be longer than the service duration (including buffer time). If I change this to 2h in total, for example, I can see all the timeslots offered now
I am trying to catch you before the weekend starts in Europe.
As you can see from the attached screenshots, bookings are coming in for December and January.
Bookings on 4, 11, 17, 18, 22, 27 Dec, 6 Jan.
4, 11 Dec tours finish midnight, have spots available, which are still bookable on the website - just as how it should be.
17, 18, 22, 27 Dec, 6 Jan tours finish after midnight, have many spots available, which are no longer bookable on the website - this is very problematic. Customers who can't book on my website will go the competing operators.
Troubleshooting so far showed that this is not due to a Google Calendar integration, nor is it due to the way working hours are configured.
Please, continue the troubleshooting / debugging effort. I have raised this ticket on 8 November, which is over a week ago. So far, no proper solution has been offered. I am literally losing customers and business.
I saw your message, but it's a specific use case. You are right when you say that it should be bookable more than once, but I'm not sure if it is the timeslot issue or perhaps there is an option that is enabled and we are not aware. I suppose it's an issue with timeslot configuration since this occurred after the configuration??
Yes, i will send the license to your email via WeTransfer. It's the same installation process. You need to deactivate the license first, then add a new plugin, it will ask you to overwrite and then it will install the other version. Just confirm your email address.
Hi Stefan, Thanks for sending through. I have reverted to version 7.8.2 as you suggested, but that didn't fix the problem. See screenshots. 6 days (and counting) in peak season which are not bookable, and at this rate Amelia is ruining my season. I do appreciate that you admit that this is a bug, but honestly, I feel that Amelia's support could be much better. It's been two weeks now since I've reported the problem, and still there is no real solution. Sang
I have worked with the current version of Amelia, and I also have reverted to previous versions 7.8.2 and 7.7 as you suggested. Unfortunately, I must advise you that they all feature the same bug and don't handle my working hours going past midnight. See screenshots: the same 6 days in peak season have become unbookable, even though there are many remaining available spots, which for those dates are in high demand.
Listen, I get it, not a lot of people work nighttime like me. I'd rather wait for your team of developers to do the proper debugging. But, please, don't send me random 'solutions' that you haven't tested and don't work. I would highly appreciate if I can get a functional bugfix by no later than end of next week. By then it will have been three weeks since I reported the problem.
This is probably not a matter of configuration, but a matter of coding. I have done enough programming in my life to recognise a bug. Your earlier also admitted that we are here dealing with a bug. So: please, debug. It's likely only one or two lines of code that need to be altered.
Whatever the source of the error - be it configuration or coding -, in practice I have already 8 days (eight !! and counting !!) in peak season which have become unbookable. As already reported earlier, each tour was bookable as it should be, but became unbookable after one only customer booked the service. If this continues in this way, a poor-performing Amelia will be responsible for up to 80% loss of sales in peak season.
So, either you, as the support export, tell me what needs to be changed in the configuration, or the developer's team do some proper debugging.
I understand the frustration, at this moment I can only reach out to developers to inform them about the use case and hopefully, they will be able to find the quick solution.
I will make sure to get back to you as soon as possible.
While i'm waiting for the developers, I tried to find the solution by reverting back all the way to Amelia 7.2. Unfortunatelly, it doesn't work even with this version installed. All the other timeslots configured (that are not overnight bookings) allow customers to select the same time date and time, but only those with overnight timeslot configurations don't work. It looks like there are no other options than lettings developers fix this as soon as possible.
I appreciate your continued troubleshooting effort and eliminating the previous versions as a possible solution. I very much look forward to receiving the fix from your developers' team. I have had to turn away some customers already, even though the spots are in theory available. But if the fix can be implemented very soon, then hopefully the damage can be somewhat controlled.
I wanted to share a quick update on this use case. The developers are currently working on a fix, and once it’s ready, I’ll make sure to send it over to you for installation.
I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and the extended wait. Thank you for your patience!
I have installed the fix, and it seems to work. I'll let you know if there are any further issues with the bookings, but for now it seems to be quite promising.
This was much needed. I appreciate your and the developers' action. If this gets me through the peak season well, I can continue being an Amelia user.
You are welcome, thanks for the feedback. Apologies again for the delayed answer and troubleshooting. In rare occasions, it can happen that the setup is not working even when reverting back to the previous version. Not so many use cases like this fortunately, but it can happen.
Anyway, keep me posted and let us know if you have any other questions or issues.
The booking calendar on the website looks good now, where the dates with available spots are bookable.
However, since I installed the fix, I now find most sections under Amelia 'empty' or unresponsive:
Dashboard, Calendar, Events, Services, Locations, Customers, Finance, Notifications, Custom Fields, Settings, What's New
Working normal are only these three sections:
Appointments, Employees, Customize.
So, one real improvement, but also a big setback. I have tried re-installing the fix, but the results were the same. I'll invite you again as a WP admin user, so you can have a look.
Hey Team,
I am running a small stargazing operation. By definition, the stargazing experiences run during the nighttime. Some of the experiences start before midnight and finish after midnight. For example, start 23:00 and finish 00:30. How can I set the working hours of the employee (myself) to start in the evening and finish in the morning of the next day?
Thank you,
Hi Sang,
I hope you are doing well. You would need to configure the work hours like this
Basically, this is a workaround. Since the maximum service duration is 24 hours, you won't be able to configure the work hours for a particular day above 00:00. Instead, configuring it to 00:30 for the next day, Amelia will show the timeslot with this time period.
Of course, you need to make sure that the service duration is long enough and the employee work hours can "cover" the service duration.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
[email protected]
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Hi Sang,
So if i understand correctly, the timeslots from 22:45 PM should be bookable multiple times by different customers since I see the maximum capacity is /10? In other words, 4 people managed to book this timeslot but now it's not available for booking?
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
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Hi Stefan,
Thanks for having a look at my ticket. Your understanding is correct. On each of my tours I have 10 available spots.
However, for those 3 dates (17/12, 22/12, 27/12) the tours are no longer bookable after only one customer bought the product (2, 2, and 4 spots, resp.). In reality, there should be still 8, 8, and 6 spots available for booking. I am losing potential customers and business.
I have the feeling this has to do with the fact that my tours for those dates go past midnight (10:45pm - 12:15am), and Amelia currently is not well set up for handling this. So far, I haven't had this issue for tours finishing before midnight.
It would be great if you could, please, solve or advise.
Many thanks,
Sang
Hi Stefan,
I know that it is weekend now and so may not receive a reply before Monday.
I just add some more information, so it should be easier for you to investigate.
From the screenshots you can see that
And this, even though it is for exactly the same service with the same global settings.
Hopefully this helps in your troubleshooting.
Have a great day,
Sang
Attached files: Screenshot 2024-11-09 112343.png
Screenshot 2024-11-09 112255.png
Screenshot 2024-11-09 112413.png
Hi Stefan,
I read that your team is observing Armistice Day, which is all good of course.
I'll add a few more screenshots to better document the problem that I am unfortunately experiencing.
You will see that now some people have booked on the tour of 4 December: 4 spots booked, 6 spots still available and bookable through the website. Note that this tour finishes at midnight and doesn't go into the next day.
In contrast: 17, 22, 27 December have many spots available, but they cannot be booked any more.
I also illustrate how I have defined my working hours. If the tour lasts 1.5 hours, I work 2 hours because this also includes 30 minutes buffer time after the service.
Hopefully all this information helps you to, please, come up with a solution.
Many thanks! &
Have a great start to your week,
Sang
Attached files: Screenshot 2024-11-12 034229.png
Screenshot 2024-11-12 034136.png
Screenshot 2024-11-12 034430.png
Hi Sang,
My apologies for the delayed answer, as you already know, we had Armistice Day yesterday. Thanks for the explanation, I've just realized that I didn't ask for the WP admin credentials. Before that, you can check this - if there is a Google Calendar integration with the employee assigned, please check if those timeslots are perhaps booked on Google Calendar (marked as "busy") . You can also disable the option "remove busy slots" in Google Calendar integration settings and test it out again.
Of course, let me know if it works.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
[email protected]
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Hello Sang,
Thanks for the credentials, but I'm not able to access your website.
Can you double check and provide the correct URL?
Kind Regards,
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Hi Sang,
Thanks for the access. I can see that you've configured special days instead of employee work hours, that's ok. in Special Days, I've found the timeslot for 16 Dec to 19 Jan, but your work hours are configured like this
Where it should be configured according to the service duration. Your service duration is 1:30h plus 30 minutes buffer, but this work hour doesn't cover the duration. As you said, it needs to be longer than the service duration (including buffer time). If I change this to 2h in total, for example, I can see all the timeslots offered now
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
[email protected]
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Hi Stefan and Team,
I hope are doing well.
I am trying to catch you before the weekend starts in Europe.
As you can see from the attached screenshots, bookings are coming in for December and January.
Bookings on 4, 11, 17, 18, 22, 27 Dec, 6 Jan.
4, 11 Dec tours finish midnight, have spots available, which are still bookable on the website - just as how it should be.
17, 18, 22, 27 Dec, 6 Jan tours finish after midnight, have many spots available, which are no longer bookable on the website - this is very problematic. Customers who can't book on my website will go the competing operators.
Troubleshooting so far showed that this is not due to a Google Calendar integration, nor is it due to the way working hours are configured.
Please, continue the troubleshooting / debugging effort. I have raised this ticket on 8 November, which is over a week ago. So far, no proper solution has been offered. I am literally losing customers and business.
Best regards,
Sang
Attached files: Screenshot 2024-11-16 010849.png
Screenshot 2024-11-16 010809.png
Screenshot 2024-11-16 010911.png
Hi Sang,
I saw your message, but it's a specific use case. You are right when you say that it should be bookable more than once, but I'm not sure if it is the timeslot issue or perhaps there is an option that is enabled and we are not aware. I suppose it's an issue with timeslot configuration since this occurred after the configuration??
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
[email protected]
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Hi Sang,
Yes, i will send the license to your email via WeTransfer. It's the same installation process. You need to deactivate the license first, then add a new plugin, it will ask you to overwrite and then it will install the other version. Just confirm your email address.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
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Hi Stefan, Thanks for sending through. I have reverted to version 7.8.2 as you suggested, but that didn't fix the problem. See screenshots. 6 days (and counting) in peak season which are not bookable, and at this rate Amelia is ruining my season. I do appreciate that you admit that this is a bug, but honestly, I feel that Amelia's support could be much better. It's been two weeks now since I've reported the problem, and still there is no real solution. Sang
Attached files: Screenshot 2024-11-21 043649.png
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Hi Stefan,
I have worked with the current version of Amelia, and I also have reverted to previous versions 7.8.2 and 7.7 as you suggested. Unfortunately, I must advise you that they all feature the same bug and don't handle my working hours going past midnight. See screenshots: the same 6 days in peak season have become unbookable, even though there are many remaining available spots, which for those dates are in high demand.
Listen, I get it, not a lot of people work nighttime like me. I'd rather wait for your team of developers to do the proper debugging. But, please, don't send me random 'solutions' that you haven't tested and don't work. I would highly appreciate if I can get a functional bugfix by no later than end of next week. By then it will have been three weeks since I reported the problem.
Best regards,
Sang
Attached files: Screenshot 2024-11-23 031349.png
Screenshot 2024-11-23 031520.png
Screenshot 2024-11-23 031754.png
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Hi Stefan,
This is probably not a matter of configuration, but a matter of coding. I have done enough programming in my life to recognise a bug. Your earlier also admitted that we are here dealing with a bug. So: please, debug. It's likely only one or two lines of code that need to be altered.
Whatever the source of the error - be it configuration or coding -, in practice I have already 8 days (eight !! and counting !!) in peak season which have become unbookable. As already reported earlier, each tour was bookable as it should be, but became unbookable after one only customer booked the service. If this continues in this way, a poor-performing Amelia will be responsible for up to 80% loss of sales in peak season.
So, either you, as the support export, tell me what needs to be changed in the configuration, or the developer's team do some proper debugging.
Sang
Attached files: Screenshot 2024-11-26 042736.png
Screenshot 2024-11-26 042635.png
Hi Sang,
I understand the frustration, at this moment I can only reach out to developers to inform them about the use case and hopefully, they will be able to find the quick solution.
I will make sure to get back to you as soon as possible.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
[email protected]
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Hi Sang,
While i'm waiting for the developers, I tried to find the solution by reverting back all the way to Amelia 7.2. Unfortunatelly, it doesn't work even with this version installed. All the other timeslots configured (that are not overnight bookings) allow customers to select the same time date and time, but only those with overnight timeslot configurations don't work. It looks like there are no other options than lettings developers fix this as soon as possible.
Apologies for the inconvenience, once again.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
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Hi Stefan,
I appreciate your continued troubleshooting effort and eliminating the previous versions as a possible solution. I very much look forward to receiving the fix from your developers' team. I have had to turn away some customers already, even though the spots are in theory available. But if the fix can be implemented very soon, then hopefully the damage can be somewhat controlled.
Enjoy your weekend,
Sang
Hi Sang,
I wanted to share a quick update on this use case. The developers are currently working on a fix, and once it’s ready, I’ll make sure to send it over to you for installation.
I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and the extended wait. Thank you for your patience!
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
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Hi Sang,
I've sent a fix via WeTransfer to your email - [email protected]. Please, install it and let me know if it works.
Kind Regards,
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Hi Stefan,
I have installed the fix, and it seems to work. I'll let you know if there are any further issues with the bookings, but for now it seems to be quite promising.
This was much needed. I appreciate your and the developers' action. If this gets me through the peak season well, I can continue being an Amelia user.
Kind regards,
Sang
Hi Sang,
You are welcome, thanks for the feedback. Apologies again for the delayed answer and troubleshooting. In rare occasions, it can happen that the setup is not working even when reverting back to the previous version. Not so many use cases like this fortunately, but it can happen.
Anyway, keep me posted and let us know if you have any other questions or issues.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
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Hi Stefan,
The booking calendar on the website looks good now, where the dates with available spots are bookable.
However, since I installed the fix, I now find most sections under Amelia 'empty' or unresponsive:
Dashboard, Calendar, Events, Services, Locations, Customers, Finance, Notifications, Custom Fields, Settings, What's New
Working normal are only these three sections:
Appointments, Employees, Customize.
So, one real improvement, but also a big setback. I have tried re-installing the fix, but the results were the same. I'll invite you again as a WP admin user, so you can have a look.
Best regards,
Sang
You are welcome, Sang.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Have a nice day too and looking forwarding to hearing from you soon.
Kind Regards,
Stefan Petrov
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